Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
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Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by Steel Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:10 am
Steel here, bringing to you the first week of our BLoSC Rewatch session! I apologise if this comes out of the blue and feels like a last-minute decision, but I promise to make things more organised for the next week. (Even though this week will probably be the longest we'll ever have in BR, heh.) The way these discussions will be organised, they'll all have quotes, discussion questions, and screenshots for your viewing convenience. They won't be reviews or summaries, but will instead focus on key points. You don't have to answer the discussion questions, but hopefully they'll be some food for thought. There's no real word limit on what you'll comment on. It can be a theory, a brief comment, or maybe even something I missed!
So, without further ado, let us begin!
INTRODUCTION
MAIN THEMES
DEATH
FRIENDSHIP
CHARACTERS
BUZZ LIGHTYEAR
MIRA NOVA
BOOSTER
XR
WARP DARKMATTER
ZURG, GRUBS AND BRAIN PODS
LGMs
RELATIONSHIPS
BUZZ AND WARP
ANIMATION AND VOICE ACTING
No quotes this time! The thread was becoming huge, and you guys get cookie points if you managed to read this far! I know I didn't discuss everything, but I figured I can leave the rest up to you guys! And now, for some discussion questions.
QUESTIONS
PHEW. This only took, what, FIVE hours to type up? Six if you count watching the movie! *dead* Anyway, knock yourselves out! Remember, this Saturday will be the next episode, which will be announced shortly in a few days!
So, without further ado, let us begin!
INTRODUCTION
- Spoiler:
- As you probably already know, the film version stars Tim Allen instead of Patrick Warburton as Buzz Lightyear. I believe this was done to attract more people and make them think it was some sort of Toy Story sequel, and also because a lot of Toy Story fans can't see anyone other than Tim Allen voicing Buzz. In light of our recent knowledge, seeing as "The Adventure Begins" was made after the rest of the series, Patrick Warburton voicing Buzz in the episode versions of the pilot doesn't come as much of a surprise anymore. (And if any of you sat for the credits, you'd have spotted him voicing the LGMs. When I was younger, I always wondered whether they decided on Warburton because he'd voiced the LGMs that damn good, hah!) Although a lot of people were disappointed and expected to see more Toy Story references in it, those who were able to see past that heartily enjoyed it. And, more often than not, the fact that children sat down and enjoyed this movie speaks volumes.
To further get people into the Toy Story mood, Pixar animated this short with the voice talents of Hanks, Tim Allen and Rex. Andy's toys are excited to watch the new Buzz Lightyear movie, Rex most of all being such a big fan, and amidst a few jokes ("You don't look so fat when they draw you that way!") and tricks ("Darn thing's jammed!") they sit down to watch it. A cute little short in Pixar's classic glossy style. However, I feel it was another mistake, because newcomers came into this probably expecting cameos from the Toy Story characters and were probably also wondering why Buzz lacked his Toy Story character development... *sigh* Toy!Buzz's original character is the original Buzz Lightyear's character more or less!
But let's move on to the real spice of this discussion!
MAIN THEMES
DEATH
- Spoiler:
- "The Adventure Begins" tells us the story of how Buzz Lightyear first experiences loss at the hands of evil in the form of his partner, Warp Darkmatter. Believe it or not, Warp's death is what puts everything into motion, ending up becoming the movie's driving theme. Until then, even though Buzz had been fighting against Zurg and evil for close to twenty years, judging by his reaction, it's probably the first time one of his friends lost his life because of Zurg's actions. Sure, Space Rangers signing up to Star Command know the dangers and bag and tag criminals on a daily basis, but death never seems to come all that often. Although Tad Stones himself said that the show was never meant to be "dark and edgy", whenever you bring death up as a subject, you give the opportunity for people to look deeper. What are the characters thinking? Is the subject of death handled realistically?
The answer to this is: somewhat. No, we don't see Buzz going incredibly angsty on us, which is probably a good thing. But he is adamant in his decision to never take on another partner, not wanting anyone else to die at Zurg's hands because of him. Face it, when your product is targeted mainly towards children, you need to be very careful about where you're drawing the line. You need to have plenty of humour in a movie to drag children in, but you also need to pull off the serious and important parts well. "The Adventure Begins" manages both superbly, never going too over-the-top and balancing out humour, action and sombreness.
Not to mention, Buzz's face when XR is blown up by Agent Z looks so devastated... and XR looks as pale as a corpse. Not dark and edgy, huh? Looks like nightmare fuel to me!
FRIENDSHIP
- Spoiler:
- As corny as it sounds, friendship in general plays a major theme in this movie. Why, Buzz and Warp were friends, Booster and XR become friends, and since this movie is about the birth of Team Lightyear, the four of them becoming inseparable comrades, I'd say friendship and sticking through for your buddies plays an important role. Buzz ultimately understood that he couldn't hope to defeat both Zurg and Warp without help and swallowed his pride and askd for their help. And they, like any friend would, came through.
I think it's a great theme for a kid's movie. And you could also say that Buzz and the others forming Team Lightyear invariably led to Space Rangers in the future not having just partners, but teams, to explain how they weren't from the partners systems to the four-manned group system. I could also be making comparisons where there are none, but I couldn't resist.
CHARACTERS
BUZZ LIGHTYEAR
- Spoiler:
- This post is already looking big, so hopefully I'll be able to keep this short and sweet! Buzz goes by the book, creating personal logs (something we interestingly don't see during the rest of the series) and always following the rules, the rules he himself wrote at least half of. But despite his by-the-book attitude, he won't hesitate to bend and even break a few rules if he's got a chance to go after Zurg. He's the most famous Ranger, surprisingly only being a Captain after twenty years of diligent service, and seemingly the only one who can take on Zurg.
Buzz can be considered overconfident and stubborn, but he means well. He's kind and understanding with Booster and is even willing to give XR a shot despite being dubious about how a robot can handle battle. He and Mira, both being stubborn and competitive, butt heads often, but work well together as a team. Buzz is also rather paranoid in anything concerning Zurg (mostly touched upon in "Stress Test") but he does his job well and is always the one to call when there's a crisis. Which I kind of find...weird, because I'm sure there are other Space Rangers who are perfectly capable, but for some reason Buzz (and later on Buzz and his team) get the more interesting missions. Also, whatever in hell possessed Commander Nebula to send Buzz and XR to the LGM Homeworld... just Buzz and XR? Of course they wouldn't be able to protect the Uni-Mind on their own!
Regardless, Buzz is true to his nature and is still human despite the almost inhuman achievements. If he seems a little cold, or off, it's because we're unused to his character, but he grows on you. Voice actors also make a big difference in how we perceive Buzz (see more below).
MIRA NOVA
- Spoiler:
- Despite Buzz's refusal, Commander Nebula assigns Princess Mira Nova as his new partner. Mira is the heir to the Tangean throne and possesses ghosting abilities that are inherent to all Tangeans. Although some might claim it's a gimmick to add a supernatural flair to the show, it never seemed incredulous or over-the-top to me. It would have been if only Mira could do it, but seeing as it's a Tangean thing I'm much more receptacle to it than I normally would. (Grounders can do their mind blasts, after all, but we'll delve into that when Grounders show up.)
It's revealed that, at some point, Buzz saved Tangea from Zurg (these events can be seen both in the episode "First Missions" and in the comic "The Emperor's New Throne") and this inspired Mira to enlist at Star Command. I think it's great how they don't set Mira and Buzz up as a couple (to each their on, of course) and she joined simply because she wanted to save people like he did, and do something different from being a simple princess. Mira's more level-headed than her fellow Tangeans and not a snob who thinks she's superior to others, and coming into contact with something different, like Buzz fighting against Zurg, gave her an incentive to go against the norm and to do something exciting and adventurous. Mira always had that rebellious streak about her, which matches well with Buzz's own brand of "rebelliousness".
BOOSTER
- Spoiler:
- Booster's role model is Buzz, and he looks up to him a lot. He memorises the Star Command Mission Manual and his dream is to become a Space Ranger, which he accomplishes by helping Buzz and the others against Zurg. You'd think that he'd be punished for stow-awaying with XR on Buzz's Star Cruiser, but I bet they let that one slide, seeing as he saved the galaxy. And no doubt was vouched for by Buzz.
He's the classic "innocent" guy of the group. The big, strong Goliath with a heart of gold and the one who seems to charm most young children the most. (A kid once told me his favourite character is Booster.) He also seems to express the feelings of the audience the most when the rest of the characters keep their cool. I like Booster! Sure, Team Lightyear was made with the classic opposing-yet-getting-along personalities, but there's something for everyone in the show, which is pretty good. Buzz is complemented by the threesome, as is the threesome is complemented by him--and themselves.
XR
- Spoiler:
- XR isn't much of a sight initially. He can barely articulate words and all he can really do is mimic, despite his rather impressive arsenal of gadgets and gizmos. But the LGMs made him with heart, installing an AI chip in his head to have him watch and learn from Buzz, hoping that he would choose XR to be his new partner. (Funny, it doesn't seem to mention or hint at XL at all, something we'll have to look into when we watch his episode.) I'm sure that none of us really liked XR at this point since he was essentially a blank slate and couldn't think for himself, but by the time he becomes the "sexist, robot pig", we warm up to him like chocolate melting in the sun.
He's the typical "funny guy" of the group, already developing a taste for the women by reading Victoria's Circuits and some of that sneaky, slyness we see more of in the show. You could almost say he's a lot like Warp. Actually... he's a great deal like Warp! Now I wonder whether Buzz is reminded of Warp when XR pulls some of those really awkward quips.
At least this robot hasn't sided with the baddies yet. *shot*
WARP DARKMATTER
- Spoiler:
- It comes to no surprise that Warp was a mole. He enjoyed violence a little too much, his humour had more of a bite to it, and he used tricks and underhanded means as a Ranger to accomplish his ends. These examples are more pronounced in episodes such as "Tag Team", but even from the holographic images of him at Star Command, you can tell that Warp was the kind of person who like being the centre of attention, standing upon conquered enemies, and wasn't the kind of guy you'd find following the good path for very long. The allure of Zurg's payroll won him out since the Academy days, after all. It was just a matter of time when he'd switch sides, and how. As mentioned, the explosion he "died" in was just fancy "fireworks", but it apparently came with a price: the loss of his arm.
Now, funnily enough, this is a rather downplayed subject in the movie too. There's no indication of concern for the lost limb from either Warp or Zurg, and the scene introducing him as Agent Z (which, for newcomers, will throw us off believing it's Warp) shows the Grubs repairing his arm with no apparent discomfort or pain. This is, of course, probably due to the fact that it's a children's movie and such "older" themes were meant to be downplayed. But that doesn't mean that Warp wanted to lose an arm, or felt no pain. It was probably an uncalculated result of the fireworks display. He was probably never meant to be trapped under rubble in the first place.
Which brings up an interesting note. If it wasn't meant to happen, Warp doesn't seem angry or resentful about it at all. He was just defecting to Zurg's side, after all. Maybe he promised him more money in compensation, maybe the fleeting thought that losing limbs for Zurg wasn't worth it crossed his mind too. But despite that, he kept with Zurg and even enjoyed being the villain and doing dastardly things for him. We'll never know what exactly happened, but Warp definitely enjoys being the "bad boy".
ZURG, GRUBS AND BRAIN PODS
- Spoiler:
- From the get-go, we can tell Zurg means business. He arrives in shadows, silent, metallic claws extended, and proceeds to torture the LGMs without a peep! (If you're watching the movie-version, that is.) He means business despite his over-the-top villainous deliveries and you can tell from the get-go that there's more to him than wanting to take over the galaxy. Why take the Uni-Mind and make everyone a mirror image of himself? (Unless he's that egotistical.) I mean, it seems like he's got some real beef with the Galactic Alliance specifically. ("I will destroy your precious Galactic Alliance!") Maybe something happened, maybe Madame President just stole his parking spot and he took it as a personal offence. Whatever the case, Zurg is Galactic Enemy Number One and also seems to have a personal vendetta with Buzz. Again, who knows what the real reason's about. Buzz calls his attempts "crazed"... more food for thought!
His minions are also scared shitless of him. Let's face it, they have more contact with him than the good guys do, hence they know more about what he's capable of. He probably tortures them in their free time or if they've done something wrong. He's not that ruthless to them, as shown in other episodes, and hell, even here he tries to be polite towards one of the brain pods... even though it doesn't fall through.
Unfortunately, his Hornets are pathetic. It makes you wonder how Zurg's managed anything with those flimsy bots who can never seem to land a shot on Buzz or the other Rangers. In some scenes it looked like they purposefully shot in the wrong area when firing at Buzz. But then again, they made waste of the LGM Homeworld, so maybe they're just biased against Buzz, hehehe.
LGMs
- Spoiler:
- I wasn't originally going to have a section talking about these guys, but seeing as this movie focused on them and their Uni-Mind, I found that I had to add it. We see a glimpse of their world and how they live in their own society. I find it interesting that they still wear their iconic suits and couldn't help but wonder if their garb is actually ceremonial, in a way. Tradition doesn't always have to be about robes, after all. And it's almost kind of scary how their Uni-Mind summoning thing almost looked like a cult. They seem very peaceful and non-warlike, however, but... you never really know with those independent thinkers!
I found it funny that they actually had a claw bring down the Uni-Mind. And strangely enough, it seemed to be the only scrap of modern technology on the planet! It makes you wonder how they're Star Command's inventor and science crew when their planet seems almost rural in comparison. I think that they might have made a pact with the Galactic Alliance and Star Command. They don't fight, so they must have asked for protection from them, right? And in exchange, they offered their services to Star Command. Sounds logical enough, doesn't it?
But then again, even though the Uni-Mind looks like a mini-planet, it seems to glow more like an overgrown computer chip... more food for thought! Maybe it connects the LGMs together because they're all mini-computers! *shot* Also, just a little tidbit, but you'll probably notice that they have a planet with rings on their clothing. It looks an awful lot like the Uni-Mind, doesn't it?
RELATIONSHIPS
BUZZ AND WARP
- Spoiler:
- Buzz and Warp are partners and good friends, despite their history from the Academy days (more about that will be discussed in "Tag Team"). They know each other well and compliment the other with their own skills and attributes. Buzz wants to do things by the book, slowly and surely, and Warp is impatient to be off doing other things. But in a fight, they've got each others back and work together without even thinking it, like they've rehearsed each other's moves down to a tee. It's as natural as breathing to them, and their playful banter only enhances that fact.
Naturally, after Warp dies, Buzz is devastated. But no, we never see him in a state close to tears, which shows how professional Buzz is on the job despite his bravado and lingering emotions over the guilt he feels at Warp's demise. That is not to say that he did not shed tears in private, but seeing as that was never shown to us, it is up to fan speculation.
It's unclear how long Buzz and Warp were partners, given the rather funky timelines and information given to us in the show, as well. But they were partners long enough to know how the other works and thinks. Remember when I mentioned that fighting together was as natural as breathing? The same thing holds true when Warp, disguised as Agent Z, easily outsmarts Buzz. He knows how Buzz thinks and acts and manages to stay one step ahead of him because of it.
Unfortunately, Buzz is ultimately the better Ranger, as proven from their Academy days from Warp always being second best. When he manages to overpower Agent Z, he reveals himself to catch Buzz off guard. We can imagine how Buzz felt at this revelation; relief, joy, and then ultimately confusion. He doesn't have the time to process that Warp is alive before he subdues him. Unlike Buzz, Warp was in on this from the beginning, being on Zurg's payroll since the Academy. Buzz can't accept it, refuses to believe it, but the evidence is as clear as crystal glass.
I could go on more about how Warp views Buzz, but since you see more of Warp's side in other episodes, I'll keep this brief. As of "The Adventure Begins", it doesn't seem like Warp feels any remorse for his decision, perhaps even ultimately despising Buzz for all this time. If so, he was a damn good actor about it. He doesn't seem to feel guilt, nor any camaraderie for Buzz since donning the Agent Z persona. As of this point, it's clear that Warp is evil, down to the bone, and this will always separate him and Buzz.
ANIMATION AND VOICE ACTING
- Spoiler:
- There's no doubt about it that the animation for the pilot is fluid, crisp and an absolute tease. It's eye candy galore and watching it on DVD makes you wish that the rest of the series was this crisp and beautiful. Oh, well... we can keep hoping. The movie's in widescreen format, and if you view the episodes for the pilot alongside them, you can see that widescreen is always better, offering more details and a much better viewing format.
The fight scenes in particular caught my eye. From the crater vipers to the slag monster (the surprisingly closest thing we get to a strange, monstrous alien), to the brief confrontation with Zurg and Warp's staged death, everything's wonderfully drawn and executed. I can go on about how great the animation is for ages, but in my eye the pilot only comes next to the Japanese-produced episodes "NOS-4-A2" and "Lost in Time". Still, it's a feast for the eyes.
The voice acting is top-notch, as always. I love the interactions between the characters and how well they convey their emotions in conjunction with the animation. It feels like their voices are tailored to their character designs, and vice versa. I must also admit, the lack of speech in Zurg's first scene in the movie version makes him far more dangerous and sinister in my eyes than the added dialogue in the episodes. Also, dual-toned! Gotta love how his voice fluctuates.
The only major eye-popper (or ear-popper, in this case) would be the uses of Tim Allen and Patrick Warburton. Their different approach to the character also gives Buzz a rather different personality. Voiced by Warburton, Buzz comes off far more arrogant and sure of himself and rather more comical. Allen gives Buzz a rather dry seriousness that makes most of his humorous lines fall flat. Comparing the two, I would say Tim Allen makes Buzz sound more militaristic and professional, whereas Patrick Warburton gives Buzz a cocky, yet more humane demeanour.
I also very much enjoy Adam Berry's musical compositions. There's not a dull moment in the music, and it all flows together so seamlessly. This is the kind of music I want to hear when I'm going off on a great adventure or tackling my homework!
No quotes this time! The thread was becoming huge, and you guys get cookie points if you managed to read this far! I know I didn't discuss everything, but I figured I can leave the rest up to you guys! And now, for some discussion questions.
QUESTIONS
- Spoiler:
- 1. How do you think the Uni-Mind works and how do you think Zurg made it evil and Buzz made it good?
2. Do you think Warp ever reconsidered working for Zurg all this time?
3. Why do you think Buzz is the most famous Space Ranger? Do you agree or disagree with this?
4. Is Zurg just another of those stereotypical villains or do you think his scheme with the Uni-Mind might have had underlying reasons? Why did he only enslave planets with the Galactic Alliance?
5. Do you prefer Tim Allen or Patrick Warburton as Buzz's voice actor?
PHEW. This only took, what, FIVE hours to type up? Six if you count watching the movie! *dead* Anyway, knock yourselves out! Remember, this Saturday will be the next episode, which will be announced shortly in a few days!
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by levy120 Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:50 am
Heads up – I watched the German version.
There will be a lot ofblabbing references to the German Voice-Actors. I might post some clips of them as reference in another thread =)
FIRST I will present you a little protocol I have made while watching the movie (Kind of similar to when I work on a big Fanfiction Review) So for a start, here’s a bit of my rambling.
Now, let’s start the movie!
DISCUSSION TIME
QUESTUN TIME
1. How do you think the Uni-Mind works and how do you think Zurg made it evil and Buzz made it good?
Well, but said it reacted to “Touch” and… basically that’s what it did xD
2. Do you think Warp ever reconsidered working for Zurg all this time?
I… don’t get the question
3. Why do you think Buzz is the most famous Space Ranger? Do you agree or disagree with this?
Well, he is in good standing with Commander Nebula, wrote half of the regulations and has a buttload of medals. I guess it goes hand and hand… if there wasn’t FOP xD
4. Is Zurg just another of those stereotypical villains or do you think his scheme with the Uni-Mind might have had underlying reasons?
Zurg has too much sidekick/comedy qualities to be a regular villain. Or maybe that just comes from the fact that I watched the German version *shrug*
5. Do you prefer Tim Allen or Patrick Warburton as Buzz's voice actor?
I prefer Patrick, though I had neither.
There will be a lot of
FIRST I will present you a little protocol I have made while watching the movie (Kind of similar to when I work on a big Fanfiction Review) So for a start, here’s a bit of my rambling.
Now, let’s start the movie!
- Spoiler:
- The CGI Opening. I almost forgot about that one – adorable ^^
And gaw, Wheezie, his English VA (Animator/Producer, I’m not too sure anymore) passed away, right?
Good old VCRs… god this movie is so old already xD
5:47 (these are slightly misplaced because of commercial before and during the movie)
Planet Zeta introduction: Why does 42 “glimmer” like that?
5:57
Wait, that isn’t 42. But it glitters strangely anyway.
6:09
Enter WARP! And he is voiced by Kai Taschner. Uh duuurk
With Bonkers being the most recent fandom before this one resurfacing it makes me giggle AND facepalm.
“As long as it means less paper work I’ll pick the chaos”
Yeah, riiiiight
And Warp keeps moving his mouth after being done talking (Twice in the whole movie). Synchronising Fail.
But; I don’t remember the blue guy being so expressive. I love how he goes ‘Grargh’ at Buzz’s rambling xD
8:57
You know when the Mutant is revealed the basic character of the scene reminded me a lot… of the opening from the second Toy Story movie. The VA made it look REALLY over the top and obnoxious, but in a good Pixar-like way.
Buzz sounded as though he was just jumping out of a Computer game ahead of the Boss Battle.
11:03
Enter BRAINPODS AND GRUBS!
Oh god Bernd Simon (yes both)
Oh god KH 2 Mushu scenes
OH GOOOD ;_;
*shot*
11:57
You know, except for the Laser eyes, I don’t remember Zurg EVER doing something as fancy as this Energy Ball in the Series xD
And oh god Hans-Rainer Müller. I dunno he is the probably most obnoxious voice one could have picked for Zurg. Some well-known roles of his are Crusty the Clown and Bender. BITE MY SHINEY METAL ASS!
“Genau das habe ich voooor”
SWEET MOTHER OF VENUS IT SOUNDS SO WRONG XDDD
Okay, so apparently there was someone at the door to open it when Warp knocked, but when the next shot at the LGMs is given and the FLOOR IS REVEALED there is No one! Nothing, Nada! Anyone ever noticed that?
15:16
ZURG! STFU. Your German VA is making me take NONE OF THIS SERIOUSLY xDDD
“Diesmal wirst du nicht entkommen”
“Sieh genau hin, Zurg.”
Translation fail. Instead of “Just watch” this basically means “Look closely” which... makes no sense whatsoever if Buzz blasts the monitor.
Enter MIRA!
Voiced by Anna Carlsson. I think it is quite hilarious that her English VA did She-Go, while another role of Mira’s German VA is Kim Possible. xD
She was one of my favs when she started out her career, but by now she’s ALL OVER THE PLACE, making her terribly overused. The Synchronisation File lists 162 jobs alone.
2:20
Enter BOOSTER! Oh god he looks so adorable in that shot xD (Maybe I’ll do a cap of it later)
He is voiced by Hubertus von Lerchenfeld (or “Hubsi”). His German voice makes me squirm; but by now I have honestly no idea who could have been a better pick. You get used to it I guess.
Stephen Furst just has this really, really irreplaceable voice.
Aaand a little Cameo of our German voice for “Will Smith” on the Colonel xD
Now having just played Tonic Trouble yesterday, Booster kind of reminds me of Ed. Ed was an Alien janitor before the game began and he took a level in badass.
TIEM FOR A LITTLE DROLL STORY:
Now before I was getting into BloSC two of my best friends were Rasy and Agent-Cat. Both from the Rayman Fandom (Tonic Trouble was a precursor for Rayman 2). Agent Cat is one of the two persons that I can actually talk about TT with because it is apparently a rather rare game or something; I don’t know.
So, when I was drifting first into the BLoSC fandom in 2006 and showed him a picture of XR, Agent believed it was some strange Fanart of Ed in Armor.
…want to know why?
Oh yes xD
ON WITH THE MOVIE ~
22:38
“Eine entzückende Mischung aus Mensch und Maschine. Mit einer dreisten Himbeernote“
^ “A great mix out of man and machine! With a impudent flair/touch of RASPBERRY”
...wait WHAT?
“Das ist Hyenenmäßig abgefahren.”
Oh god German translation *facepalm*
I really need to look into the English version for the original script… oo”
OH AND LOOK!
It’s a flamethrower!
THIS IS MY FLAMMENWERFER. IT WERFS FLAMMEN.
25:00
Enter XR!
Wheeee
German XR is like… the probably only voice that is better in German than the English one/s, although Larry Miller and Neil are amazing too. But hey, Florian Halm is my ultimate fav ;D
He was a bit hard to recognize the first time I saw the Pilot because they gave him a REALLY WEIRD PITCH in this one. The pitch is different and more recognizable in the actual series.
57:15
Mira goes outer Space without a helmet…? (…in case you are lost – it’s the bomb scene)
Of course she isn’t out were long, doesn’t talk and only gasps, but… really?
01:01:40
o_O”
There is something TERRIBLE OFF about the way Zurg says Buzz’s name.
Aaaand… last but not least:
You know, the way Warp insists on being called Agent Z…
The Pilot was made AFTER the series, but within the Series which is supposed to take after the Pilot naturally he is NEVER referred with that name again. Right?
DISCUSSION TIME
- Spoiler:
- It’s very hard to work out big posts here, when everytime you C/P something word you need to reset the color first xDDDI believe this was done to attract more people and make them think it was some sort of Toy Story sequel, and also because a lot of Toy Story fans can't see anyone other than Tim Allen voicing Buzz.
On a completely DIFFERENT note, I think it would have/might have been weird if the series Buzz was voiced by a different VA, given the little CGI scene before, you know what I mean?
*waves an XR/Booster flag*As corny as it sounds, friendship in general plays a major theme in this movie.
I don’t think you are, because clearly the 4 man-teams were not regular. The part of the movie with the ceremony and Buzz stating that “he picked his partner” was supposed to be a surprise in leading the audience to believe that he’d pick Mira. (Her receiving the medal before him, drawing out the time until XR showed up and stuff)And you could also say that Buzz and the others forming Team Lightyear invariably led to Space Rangers in the future not having just partners, but teams, to explain how they weren't from the partners systems to the four-manned group system. I could also be making comparisons where there are none, but I couldn't resist.
And Warp and him clearly were NO 4-man group xD
I think he made it another of the regulations HE wrote, classically because at this point he learned it the hard way from his own mistake.
…true that. But he STILL he still was pushy for paper work if he got the occasion to it. I think “Little Secrets” is a parade example for this where Mira was stuck with doing Paper Work. I don’t exactly remember anymore if it was BECAUSE of Buzz though…creating personal logs (something we interestingly don't see during the rest of the series)
I do like the fact he talks with ‘the robot’ during his mission, and even compliments him.and is even willing to give XR a shot despite being dubious about how a robot can handle battle.
But truly, I think he only gave him a shot because he knew the LGMs could have fixed him, as demonstrated.
Who could have known at this point that the Unimind would actually GET stolen. I think one of the reasons he DID look so devastated about him being blown up, was that he blamed himself for it, still not completely over the loss of Warp (who’s identity was not revealed by that point of the storyline) AND the fact that the Unimind was stolen, which practically rendered the LGM’s services useless (but good it did! Else we wouldn’t have XR as he is toda- wait, Pilot production time)
OBJECTION! You never know Steel xDbut for some reason Buzz (and later on Buzz and his team) get the more interesting missions.
Some of the other teams do get mentioned at times with getting boring jobs, but… if I remember correctly even Rocket Crocket once got the bigger piece of the meat if you get what I mean. Just because we don’t get to see what the other Space Rangers do doesn’t mean they’re useless – and the show IS Buzz’s show after all ^^
…He might as well have just gone off on his own, like he planned on nabbing the Alpha 1 xDAlso, whatever in hell possessed Commander Nebula to send Buzz and XR to the LGM Homeworld... just Buzz and XR? Of course they wouldn't be able to protect the Uni-Mind on their own!
On this point I’d REALLY like to mention that I appreciate how this does not screw up what little continuity there was in “First Missions”, in contrast it even makes a lot of sense if you see this episode then.It's revealed that, at some point, Buzz saved Tangea from Zurg (these events can be seen both in the episode "First Missions" and in the comic "The Emperor's New Throne") and this inspired Mira to enlist at Star Command.
PffffffffffffffYou could almost say he's a lot like Warp. Actually... he's a great deal like Warp!
“I think one of the reasons he DID look so devastated about him being blown up, was that he blamed himself for it, still not completely over the loss of Warp (who’s identity was not revealed by that point of the storyline)”Now I wonder whether Buzz is reminded of Warp when XR pulls some of those really awkward quips.
Naturally that's BEFORE the Character switch, but...
Illegal Gambling?At least this robot hasn't sided with the baddies yet. *shot*
Stealing?
Nos?
If they want to fool me they ought to pick another Voice Actor <.< *shot*and the scene introducing him as Agent Z (which, for newcomers, will throw us off believing it's Warp)
That is a rather interesting thought, especially when you consider that he gets a BADASS METAL ARM WITH A FLAMETHROWER xDMaybe he promised him more money in compensation, maybe the fleeting thought that losing limbs for Zurg wasn't worth it crossed his mind too.
…Please tell what is different in the Series version? I've only ever seen the movie oneHe arrives in shadows, silent, metallic claws extended, and proceeds to torture the LGMs without a peep! (If you're watching the movie-version, that is.)
QUESTUN TIME
1. How do you think the Uni-Mind works and how do you think Zurg made it evil and Buzz made it good?
Well, but said it reacted to “Touch” and… basically that’s what it did xD
2. Do you think Warp ever reconsidered working for Zurg all this time?
I… don’t get the question
3. Why do you think Buzz is the most famous Space Ranger? Do you agree or disagree with this?
Well, he is in good standing with Commander Nebula, wrote half of the regulations and has a buttload of medals. I guess it goes hand and hand… if there wasn’t FOP xD
4. Is Zurg just another of those stereotypical villains or do you think his scheme with the Uni-Mind might have had underlying reasons?
Zurg has too much sidekick/comedy qualities to be a regular villain. Or maybe that just comes from the fact that I watched the German version *shrug*
5. Do you prefer Tim Allen or Patrick Warburton as Buzz's voice actor?
I prefer Patrick, though I had neither.
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by Zimbo Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:32 am
I haven't seen this pilot in forever xD I do remember some things though! Now onwards, ho!
Overall, it had an entertaining start and middle, but the ending was a tiiny bit flat. Not the climax, but the very end. But ends are supposed to be flat anyway.
1. Touch, yeah. And through sheer will I guess?
2. I don't think so, he seems pretty much "Hey, this is awesome, I like this" about the whole thing. No remorse, nothing. Not even losing an arm, maybe because he got an even better for evil robot one.
3. Maybe he was one of the first to join?
4. He's not stereotypical at all xD He's comedic and sadistic. Underlying reasons...no idea.
5. Warburton.
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- >The space animation is gorgeous! The whole 'My name is Buzz' thing is kinda cheesy, but that's alright, cheesiness appears in everything at least once. The computer 'mission' voice is so feminine and weird..and I love how the Pizza planet aliens are incorporated in this despite not really being related xD but they're interesting so its okay.
>I love Diedrich Baker's voice xDD so great for a slimy dude
>If LGMs work with Star Command, how are Space Rangers like Buzz and Warp unaware of the mind link
>LOL poor kitty cats. And those vipers are friggin' awesome
>WTF crater viper mountain...thingy mutant O.o
>Warp's annoyance with the LGMs is so funny
>I love the Brain pods and the grubs! Frank Welker HAS to be the voice for the grubs. AND OMG! ZURG'S ENTRANCE IS SO BADASS. DAAMN
>Warp's "I'm your partner, anything else I need to know" banter really changes in the light of knowing he's a mole.
>Buzz's flips to avoid getting hit look comical..like FLIP FLIP DERP
>Warp's face when he's 'dying' is a real tip off that something's up.
>Aaaw, Buzz is so sad, in a very discreet and subtle way
>That is a hardcore training arena..place. Very cool though, and good for letting their rookies know what to expect.
>Mira's awesome!~ But um...if Buzz met her once, why didn't he recognize her? xD are there that many blue skinned red haired aliens in the galaxy?
>This makes me curious...how long ago did warp 'die'?
>Booster is such an adorable little fanboy xDD And aaw~ Buzz helping him out xD that's so nice!
>'Zurg's tower, a very evil place' xD AND HE SAID HELLO LACKEYS! *geekspaz*
>THAT'S JIM CRACKIN DANDY. Ha xD also, 'Agent Z' is such an amusing sidekick of the villain!`
>XR's soo shiny...and that blank voice is so..unfitting.
>XDDD naughty LGMs! Tricking Nebula to approve XR
>XR's mimicking of Buzz is funny xDD
>The unimind stuff is arguably more 'supernatural' than Mira's powers. Its an orb of...some...kind...that provides a mind link and can be used for evil?
>Zurg's voice on the intercom sounds so weird
>Poor XR! but at least he finally gets a personality
>Poor LGMs, they're so out of it
>Nana Zurg!~ xDDD And XR has so much more spunk now!~
>I love the comparing and contrasting between Xr/Booster, and Buzz/Mira. Buzz and Mira are two strong, leader-esque personalities, and XR is a lazy, shirk his duties type guy and Booster is a fanboy who has the manual memorized like a bible. Both Buzz AND Mira try hotwiring the Alpha 1 xD Interestingly, Booster and XR don't seem to have anything really in common
>BRAIN SQUEEZE. Hardcore
>Buzz, you tattle-tale xD
>I love how the Rhizomians look!
>LOL the two duos meet in the most awkward way
>The EEEVIL unimind has a weird...evil noise with it. Like an evil WHALE
>Oh God they're all so damned squished poor guys xD
>I love how snarky the locator yellow text thingy is
>I love the nose ring discussion xD "NOSE RINGS ARE FOR LITTLE PUNKS!"
>Warp's a good actor, all that showy 'goodness' as a partner of Buzz's, and he's a mole. and Zurg replaying Buzz's eulogy, that's just evil xDD And Buzz's 'last words' are sooo cheesy!~
>The yt thing stopped at the end of part 6 so I missed a bit.
>THE PLANET OF WIDOWS AND ORPHANS! You forgot puppies and kittens!~
>All four of them reading Zurg his arrest thing is so sweet~
>The unimind reverting back is a pretty cool scene!
>The medal ceremony made me think of Star Wars for some reason.
Overall, it had an entertaining start and middle, but the ending was a tiiny bit flat. Not the climax, but the very end. But ends are supposed to be flat anyway.
1. Touch, yeah. And through sheer will I guess?
2. I don't think so, he seems pretty much "Hey, this is awesome, I like this" about the whole thing. No remorse, nothing. Not even losing an arm, maybe because he got an even better for evil robot one.
3. Maybe he was one of the first to join?
4. He's not stereotypical at all xD He's comedic and sadistic. Underlying reasons...no idea.
5. Warburton.
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by levy120 Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:06 pm
1. Touch, yeah. And through sheer will I guess?
Sheer Will? Like the GREEN LANTERN? %D
...wait the Unimind is originally green, right?
...
strike that thought.
...and OOOOH, so that's what the second question meant.
Well... I'm not so sure about that... I doubt it; but it sure makes nice food for thought.
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by Mod Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:37 pm
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I think the Unimind was originally green/yellow, and peaceful to begin with, before it was turned purple and shrieking with pain.
I mean the sound it makes after it was turned into evil by Zurg....there may be more to the bucket head than meets the eye...
Which reminds me, the theme of death could be related to how Zurg turned everyone into his puppets. The death of free will, and really, the freedom to live is kind of relevant. Zurg, in his own way, wanted to destroy all that is free and make it his own, which is kind of like playing God, because hey, the Higher Beings, whatever you may call them, did give us free will, and we can question that. Zurg, however, takes that away. As he says, "It'll be all Zurg, all the time! 24-7! Zurgie heaven!", which is pretty bad.
Death is also relevant to Warp (well, sort of) and XR when he was first blown up. Warp had "sacrificed himself" to save everyone when really, he ended his old life permanently as a Space Ranger to become an agent of evil. We know he's been working for Zurg the whole time while he was at the Academy, but the 'death' was like the final step of his plan to fully work at Zurg's side. I think that death alone was probably more painful for the Space Ranger Corps, mostly Buzz, than his "sacrifice". Poor folks.
For XR, he was a new attempt to make a robot ranger to learn the ways of human behavior before he made his own personality, and to be a new partner for Buzz so that he wouldn't have to worry about a ranger being killed. Eventually, though when XR was blown up for the first time, that was he death of his old life as a lifeless robot, and he started a new life as a wise-cracking, human-like robot.
So yeah...
On a side note, the Star Command emblem (on the outside wall of the ship) looks kind of like a Phoenix bird-to represent life over death. *shot*
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by Alexa Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:17 pm
I would have written something on this earlier, but I was distracted by a very awesome person followed by a very fun drive that included very delicious cake. But I digress...
Thoughts as I come up with them:
Whelp, that was long. And now, the questions!
Thoughts as I come up with them:
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- I was never fond of the Toy Story intro... I watched some of the series before watching the movie, and even then I recall watching the Adventure Begins without the intro on the Disney Channel at one point... Watching the intro always changes the story for me, at least for that moment. It makes it seem less realistic if cartoons are watching a cartoon...
Nice list of Special Commendations Buzz has...
If the LGMs were last seen in the science bay, how did they get in Zurg's clutches...?
Throughout the movie, they are able to do things with their suits without any discernible button pushing... Are they thought powered or something...? Maybe minute muscle pulls activate them...?
"I should have guessed! A crater viper slag monster mutant!" B-Movie Sci-Fi anyone...? Ridiculously long monster name... *sigh*
That LGM almost fell! Buzz, did you have any thought that they might be standing on the ledge you shot down?! When Warp points down and says "Take a guess", it makes me feel as if he agrees with me.
I sort of wonder how Warp knows which side of the door the hinges are on. Then I wonder... Why are hinges that open outward on the inside of the door frame? Not even on the inside but the door frame! Clearly, I nitpick weird things. XD
"...charged with attempted dissection of Star Command Personnel." Why do I get the feeling that Zurg is not the first one to receive that charge?
So you can delete names from lockers by pressing a simple button...? I sense that there has been pranking through that system before... "Somebody replaced the name on my locker with Susie Twofeather! AGAIN."
Notice how Cadet Flarn's suit doesn't cover his arms/tail completely? I wonder why. Also, you see him shooting lasers from his exposed wrists! What?
"A delightful blend of man and machine with just a naughty touch of lingonberry." Hah..
Anyone else notice that the spy drone's body is only painted on the front and the back is completely dark grey? As if they have never seen an LGM from behind...
It's the CLAW. A homage to the first Toy Story movie, obviously. I imagine the LGM directing there to be a priest or some equivalent. Note: That LGM seems to activate the Unimind by touch.
"We got him on the run!" "We got him on the... Run?" XR learned to question his environment!
More senseless destruction... Good job good guys! Those parts of the buildings Warp is hiding in look like they have no purpose other than decoration... And how does he fit into them so easily?
Note: Buzz takes off his glove (very easily for a space suit, I might add). Few seconds later: Dives for glove, glove is blasted away. Scene after Buzz is shot and falls: Glove has suddenly returned! (Not complaining, I just find it amusing.)
People always point out that the LGMs put a chicken in XR. My question: Where did they even get the chicken?
"To infinity and... Whatever." Love the enthusiasm XR!
"Rocket Crockett to Mission Ops immediately." First time noticing that was today.
I like how Commander Nebula responds to Buzz telling him Mira stole the Alpha-1. As if he expected someone to steal it. XD
*simultaneously put on glasses* *sneaks up and takes photo* Anyone else love their looks at that scene?
How does the Alpha-1 make a halting noise in space?
Mira ghosting into space without her helmet on bothers me too, but I assumed that she could do that because she was ghosting at the time. Tangibility causing space not to affect her and such.
"That's not a space craft. It's obviously a weather balloon." Tell me, did you work with the government before working with Zurg?
Does anyone else see a problem with the fact that not only does Zurg know Buzz's eulogy for Warp, but he has it recorded?
When Mira drops that Hornet on Warp, Warp does a very girly scream...
Ah, the end... Why did they go into space? There was no reason for them to go into space!
Whelp, that was long. And now, the questions!
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- 1. How do you think the Uni-Mind works and how do you think Zurg made it evil and Buzz made it good?
Very obviously by touch. As I pointed out, the LGM touched it to activate it, Zurg touched it and made it evil, probably by will, and Buzz did the same to make it good. Though, I wonder if this meant that Zurg had more will than Buzz since Buzz had to go inside the Unimind to make ti good again... Or, it oculd just be because more people were affected by it that Buzz needed to go deeper to change it back?
2. Do you think Warp ever reconsidered working for Zurg all this time?
I would think that he occasionally would when some of the jobs he does for Zurg end up badly, though he probably would never go back to the side of good. Even if he wanted to, he seems like the type to have too much pride to go crawling back to Buzz after betraying him.
3. Why do you think Buzz is the most famous Space Ranger? Do you agree or disagree with this?
Well, he wrote half the regulations, he seems to be the one who fights against the "sworn enemy of the Galactic Alliance", Zurg, most often... He has that overwhelming sense of justice that spreads to everyone and makes them admire him or makes them cringe for various reasons. I can't imagine anyone who'd be more famous than him in this sense.
4. Is Zurg just another of those stereotypical villains or do you think his scheme with the Uni-Mind might have had underlying reasons? Why did he only enslave planets with the Galactic Alliance?
Somehow missed this question first through... Anyway, Zurg is one of those villains that I don't know what to think about. None of his plans seem to be all that straight-forward, mostly because of their varying levels of outer-layer logic. By that I mean that sometimes his plans make sense for why he would make them but others seem more like a fault of some type of misjudgment and/or insanity. And, regardless, they all seem to have some backwards thought that no one expects right away, even if it's not always as obvious as others. Does any of that make sense...? As for only enslaving planets in the Galactic Alliance, Zurg seems to want to undermine the Galactic Alliance mainly considering that it is his biggest enemy in taking over the galaxy. Or maybe, by this point in time, planets under the Galactic Alliance are the only ones known to have sentient life on them? Or, at the very least, sentient life that he actually cares about.
5. Do you prefer Tim Allen or Patrick Warburton as Buzz's voice actor?
Warbuton, I suppose? I'm pretty sure I've heard more variation in Warbuton's voice than Allen's when it comes to Buzz. Though, I might be getting it confused with someone else. XD (This is why the rewatch is good. I can actually have the motivation to pay attention to the voice actors.)
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by DarklingDragon Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:58 pm
Okay, this is the first time I've actually watched the movie. I got the chance to watch it on broadcast once, but I was only able to catch around ten minutes.I'm very happy that I've finally gotten the chance to watch it!
I agree that the animation in this is much more fluid than the T.V. series. The lip-sync is much more accurate. It doesn't seem choppy. I don't know how to exactly put it, but the acting in the animation itself is much more better than what I remember on some of the episodes.
I also agree that the ending kind of falls a little flat.
Edit: Was I supposed to use spoilers for the questions?
I agree that the animation in this is much more fluid than the T.V. series. The lip-sync is much more accurate. It doesn't seem choppy. I don't know how to exactly put it, but the acting in the animation itself is much more better than what I remember on some of the episodes.
I also agree that the ending kind of falls a little flat.
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- Maybe they could have put in a few more minutes to the ceremony at the ending where the rookies get their medals for saving the galaxy. Instead of just having them run in and get their medals, Commander Nebula could have said a short speech.
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- Questions:
1. I think the Uni-mind must have been an ancient technology the LGMs created to unite their people in peace. It probably taps into the brain waves of whomever touches it. Since the Uni-mind had never left it's homeworld, it was never at risk of being exposed to the wrong mindset.
That is...until Zurg found out about it.
Buzz and Zurg are almost polar opposites. They're (almost) pure condensed forms of good/bad, so it's easy for them to influence the Uni-Mind.
2.It's hard for me to know if Warp reconsidered his thoughts working for Zurg. He turned out to be working for him before he even met Buzz, so maybe he's just greedy and rotten to the core..
3. Buzz might be well known because of the fact he's one of the founding figures of Star Command. The fact that he wrote half of the rules tells me he might have joined during a fragile era of the Galactic Alliance. (don't know if I make sense O.o)
He was also probably the first to officially go on Zurgs hit list for being so brave/cocky toward him. The only other person that truly acts like that is Nebula.
I bet Zurg's flesh crawls with hate when Nebula and Zurg team up against him.
4.Zurg is somewhat half and half. Since this is/was a show aimed at kids, the writers couldn't just freely go beyond the regular schemes evil villains tend to use.
5. What if we could somehow combine Tim and Patrick to create a super Buzz? Well, not seriously. Maybe if they spent a little more time they could have found an unknown actor that fit between Tim and Patrick (or fit real Buzz's character more).
Edit: Was I supposed to use spoilers for the questions?
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by Alexa Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:40 pm
DarklingDragon wrote:Edit: Was I supposed to use spoilers for the questions?
I personally did because I did not want my post to take up so much screen space. I don't thinking using spoilers for the questions are absolutely necessary, unless you actually are giving away a spoiler, so use them at your discretion, I suppose?
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by levy120 Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:31 pm
Mostly based on ab103's post - sorry folks ^^°
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Did YOU notice there’s no one on the floor when the LGMs are revealed? xDI sort of wonder how Warp knows which side of the door the hinges are on. Then I wonder... Why are hinges that open outward on the inside of the door frame? Not even on the inside but the door frame! Clearly, I nitpick weird things. XD
Wait, he does? No I didn’t catch that oo”Notice how Cadet Flarn's suit doesn't cover his arms/tail completely? I wonder why. Also, you see him shooting lasers from his exposed wrists! What?
THAT’S what it said? That’s just as… what is this I DON’T EVEN xD"A delightful blend of man and machine with just a naughty touch of lingonberry." Hah..
Yeeeees, I saw that. at first I thought it was a color mistake from the animators, but if you look closely in the next scene you’ll notice that the “fingers” are not stretched out balloons, but “painted” on the ‘round’ grey color of the backside xDAnyone else notice that the spy drone's body is only painted on the front and the back is completely dark grey? As if they have never seen an LGM from behind...
Still prolly nothing in comparison to Zurg’s softish “Liiiightyear…” in the German version %DWhen Mira drops that Hornet on Warp, Warp does a very girly scream...
I was actually disappointed from the girly-scream in the German version. I mean come on, Taschner – you voice Bonkers for crying out loud. He sounds way more girly SPEAKING than that scream just there.
Visual effect – it’s eye candy xDAh, the end... Why did they go into space? There was no reason for them to go into space!
Sometimes scenes are just there because they look/read nicely. No other reason.
You know, now that you mention it: Movie-Warp seems pretty nonchalant about everything, but Series Warp WHINES A L OT ABOUT JOBS!I would think that he occasionally would when some of the jobs he does for Zurg end up badly, though he probably would never go back to the side of good.
Just look at Ancient Evil “Can’t an evil man get a break for once!”
Or Nos-4-A2 “It’s a box of doom, it’s not for you”
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by EEZ Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:38 pm
I didn't watch this on time as I had a few things to wrap up, but I do have one question as this is an absolute canon no-brainer:
How come they gave up Planet Z in the end? *inb4, the show must go on!*
How come they gave up Planet Z in the end? *inb4, the show must go on!*
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by DarklingDragon Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:41 pm
EEZ wrote:
How come they gave up Planet Z in the end? *inb4, the show must go on!*
I didn't realize that until you mentioned it.
Maybe Nebula decided having the Uni-Mind was good enough for him? :/
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by levy120 Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:05 am
Well, on a counter question - what WOULD they be doing with it? oO"
Star Command isn't really a "conquering" sort of way - they have their Space Station and... that's it.
Besides, if they built anything on it, Zurg would have burned it down by his next visit anyway xD
Star Command isn't really a "conquering" sort of way - they have their Space Station and... that's it.
Besides, if they built anything on it, Zurg would have burned it down by his next visit anyway xD
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by SteffieMusings Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:30 am
This is a definite great start to the series. Love the opening with Andy's toys. The animation is quite fluid and I love how the Space Rangers came together. I can't really say much, as I would sound as if I'm parroting everyone else's comments on this episode; as I felt the same way as them.
Now, onto the questions
Now, onto the questions
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- 1. How do you think the Uni-Mind works and how do you think Zurg made it evil and Buzz made it good?
In my opinion it works by touch, but it can be affected if the person that touched it that are either morally good or evil. But, it can be changed back to normal after someone with strong good morals had touched it. Just a crazy idea.
2. Do you think Warp ever reconsidered working for Zurg all this time?
I personally believe that there might be times when he questioned Zurg's orders but he knows that if he were to ever go back to Star Command, they would arrest him on the spot.
3. Why do you think Buzz is the most famous Space Ranger? Do you agree or disagree with this?
Buzz is the most famous Space Ranger because he knows how Zurg thinks. Plus, he had defeated him on several occassions. That's enough to gain a good reputation.
4. Is Zurg just another of those stereotypical villains or do you think his scheme with the Uni-Mind might have had underlying reasons? Why did he only enslave planets with the Galactic Alliance?
I think Zurg had ulterior motives with the Uni-Mind. I think that the reason why he only enslaved those planets would be because the Space Rangers mainly guard those planets and doing that is a big, fat raspberry.
5. Do you prefer Tim Allen or Patrick Warburton as Buzz's voice actor?
That's a tough question. I like both their portrayal's of Buzz. But, if I were to choose, I would say that I found myself preferring Patrick as Buzz's voice actor.
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Re: Rewatch #00: The Adventure Begins
by Steel Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:10 pm
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I believe so. I remember reading about that somewhere. Poo' guy, I think it had something to do with a car accident.levy120 wrote:And gaw, Wheezie, his English VA (Animator/Producer, I’m not too sure anymore) passed away, right?
Actually, it is 42. I don't recall Buzz ever changing Star Cruisers, and I remember in a magazine it was mentioned that Buzz tested out all the Star Cruisers up until 42 until he settled on 42.levy120 wrote:Planet Zeta introduction: Why does 42 “glimmer” like that? Wait, that isn’t 42. But it glitters strangely anyway.
Also, it's technically the Zeta Quadrant, not Planet Z. xD
Nope! It's a shame, I'd have loved to see more of it, to be honest. It's the most badass entrance for a villain I've seen in a while.levy120 wrote:You know, except for the Laser eyes, I don’t remember Zurg EVER doing something as fancy as this Energy Ball in the Series xD
What, just 'cause they're both black? I CALL RACISM! Joking, joking, but you dub regular movies too? You Germans are crazy! xDlevy120 wrote:Aaand a little Cameo of our German voice for “Will Smith” on the Colonel xD
I've got something better. In Greek, the "Zurg sticking kitties up trees" quote is translated to "Zurg being to blame for every cup of coffee that's spilled". Go figure!levy120 wrote:“A great mix out of man and machine! With a impudent flair/touch of RASPBERRY”
...wait WHAT?
I didn't find that weird because she was "ghosting" at the moment. I think that typically, whenever she ghosts, her body is protected with that aura, probably so there're no breathing issues.levy120 wrote:Mira goes outer Space without a helmet…? (…in case you are lost – it’s the bomb scene)
Of course she isn’t out were long, doesn’t talk and only gasps, but… really?
I remember this character in a book series called "The Belgariad" by David Eddings. His name was Relg and he was some sort of zealot, and he had the ability to pass through walls, too. If I remember correctly, it was loosely explained with having something to do with the distances between molecules. Relg could maintain his molecular structure while "pushing" away just enough molecules in, say, a wall, in order to pass through it. I remember he had to travel a long distance once to get one of their comrades out of a trap, so he essentially had to "ghost" him too. How they breathed was never elaborated, but I... guess it had something to do with molecules again. Who knows with these fantasy-type books?
I don't remember him insisting on being called Agent Z... might be an issue with translations again. I do remember him saying "I'm Zurg's number one agent!" though.levy120 wrote:You know, the way Warp insists on being called Agent Z… The Pilot was made AFTER the series, but within the Series which is supposed to take after the Pilot naturally he is NEVER referred with that name again. Right?
Yeah, it would have been, but then again they could have just skipped the CGI scene entirely in the first place. Regardless of who or what they were trying to do, however, that's how we have the product now.levy120 wrote:On a completely DIFFERENT note, I think it would have/might have been weird if the series Buzz was voiced by a different VA, given the little CGI scene before, you know what I mean?
Oh, good point! I didn't think that Buzz would still adding rules and regulations for some reason, but it sounds very plausible. Yeah, Buzz and Warp were clearly a twosome, and from old flashbacks in the show on Academy days and whatnot, though Buzz mentions saving people like Ty and Rocket, there's no mention of teams ever. Hell, he might have been partnered with Ty at some point if he kept saving him like that all the time until Ty requested that transfer. Of course, this trumps this plotbunny I have.levy120 wrote:I don’t think you are, because clearly the 4 man-teams were not regular. The part of the movie with the ceremony and Buzz stating that “he picked his partner” was supposed to be a surprise in leading the audience to believe that he’d pick Mira. (Her receiving the medal before him, drawing out the time until XR showed up and stuff)
And Warp and him clearly were NO 4-man group xD
I think he made it another of the regulations HE wrote, classically because at this point he learned it the hard way from his own mistake.
Oh well, I can try to make it adapt! See, these discussions are great for fanfic fodder and creativity!
Not really, because I remember he pushed them on Mira because HE didn't want to do all the paperwork. He'd let it pile up because he hated sitting behind a desk and writing reports. Which is why the personal logs thing and the reports feel so jarring when compared, because here you think Buzz is a guy who's uptight about rules and going by the book, which is enhanced with his logs, but trumped with his dislike on writing field reports.levy120 wrote:…true that. But he STILL he still was pushy for paper work if he got the occasion to it. I think “Little Secrets” is a parade example for this where Mira was stuck with doing Paper Work. I don’t exactly remember anymore if it was BECAUSE of Buzz though…
Maybe he stopped making logs after Zurg seemed to enjoy recording him so much? ...And how the hell did Zurg even get a camera into Star Command in the first place?!levy120 wrote:OBJECTION! You never know Steel xD
Some of the other teams do get mentioned at times with getting boring jobs, but… if I remember correctly even Rocket Crocket once got the bigger piece of the meat if you get what I mean. Just because we don’t get to see what the other Space Rangers do doesn’t mean they’re useless – and the show IS Buzz’s show after all ^^
True, we never do know, but how come Planet Z came off as being so impenetrable in the pilot when later on in the rest of the series Buzz and his team pass through all willy-nilly? It just doesn't make sense! And why is it that Team Lightyear is always on solo missions you really shouldn't be going solo for? Like more forages into Planet Z and all those scuffles and confrontations with Zurg? I can think of a lot of missions they really shouldn't have been solo for, but seeing as this is only the pilot I can only comment on Buzz and XR going to save a planet under attack. An entire planet under attack and only two people to stop it. PFFFFFT. And Commander Nebula never made any move to stop him when Buzz said he was on it. That's too much of a stretch, you can't deny it!levy120 wrote:…He might as well have just gone off on his own, like he planned on nabbing the Alpha 1 xD
When he smacks the brain pod, he shouts, "Silence!" I feel like that totally undermines the seriousness and severity of Zurg's figure. If he doesn't say that, he appears more serious and dangerous, at least in my opinion.levy120 wrote:…Please tell what is different in the Series version? I've only ever seen the movie one
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I think because it was kept strictly under wraps so, just in case Zurg ever tried to interrogate a Space Ranger, he wouldn't find out about the LGM's mindlink. However, he probably knew somehow to capture the LGMs and interrogate/torture them like that in the first place.Zimbo wrote:If LGMs work with Star Command, how are Space Rangers like Buzz and Warp unaware of the mind link.
Probably because Mira was younger then, and because Buzz has saved so many people over the ages that they all look the same to him from a point onwards? xD *shot*Zimbo wrote:Mira's awesome!~ But um...if Buzz met her once, why didn't he recognize her? xD are there that many blue skinned red haired aliens in the galaxy?
Probably not too long. I'd peg it at two weeks to a month, at the most.Zimbo wrote:This makes me curious...how long ago did warp 'die'?
It is! I'm starting to seriously consider whether the LGMs are techno-organic and whether the whole "touch" and "feel" thing is more of a bio-chemical reaction than anything. And them joining hands and creating a forcefield to protect the Uni-Mind... didn't work. It's hard to determine how and what exactly is going on here.Zimbo wrote:The unimind stuff is arguably more 'supernatural' than Mira's powers. Its an orb of...some...kind...that provides a mind link and can be used for evil?
I think that also goes to show how you don't specifically need to have things in common to become best friends.Zimbo wrote:I love the comparing and contrasting between Xr/Booster, and Buzz/Mira. Buzz and Mira are two strong, leader-esque personalities, and XR is a lazy, shirk his duties type guy and Booster is a fanboy who has the manual memorized like a bible. Both Buzz AND Mira try hotwiring the Alpha 1 xD Interestingly, Booster and XR don't seem to have anything really in common
And Buzz and Mira have this hilarious, titan-clashing way of trying to outdo each other, hehehe.
Oh, you! But on a more serious note, it sounded like screaming, didn't it? It's possibly the Uni-Mind reflects the personality/emotional state of the people who've touched it. With the LGMs and Buzz, it was serene, peaceful, good. With Zurg, it seemed to be in a state of continuous torment and agony. Food for thought, huh?Zimbo wrote:The EEEVIL unimind has a weird...evil noise with it. Like an evil WHALE.
I bet it fell flat because it was trying to "set up" the series. I actually really like the ending because it makes me eager to watch more and it's like it's preparing us for more adventures... to infinity and beyond!Zimbo wrote:Overall, it had an entertaining start and middle, but the ending was a tiiny bit flat. Not the climax, but the very end. But ends are supposed to be flat anyway.
I always got that impression too, for some reason. Hey, he wrote half of the regulations in the Star Command Mission Manual, after all!Zimbo wrote:Maybe he was one of the first to join?
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Aha, someone else who figured that out too! If you've got free time on your hands I can recommend you a very interesting fic you might want to read~ *shot*Fox Storm wrote:I think the Unimind was originally green/yellow, and peaceful to begin with, before it was turned purple and shrieking with pain. I mean the sound it makes after it was turned into evil by Zurg....there may be more to the bucket head than meets the eye...
Ooh, that's a damn good observation! I didn't think of it like that because I kept thinking that Zurg had to have another reason for doing what he did. The age-old "subduing the galaxy for my own" thing falls flat with me because it seems like his real beef is with the Galactic Alliance and the Galactic Alliance alone. Star Command is just in the way, seeing as they're the ones protecting the Galactic Alliance and any planets within its jurisdiction.Fox Storm wrote:Which reminds me, the theme of death could be related to how Zurg turned everyone into his puppets. The death of free will, and really, the freedom to live is kind of relevant. Zurg, in his own way, wanted to destroy all that is free and make it his own, which is kind of like playing God, because hey, the Higher Beings, whatever you may call them, did give us free will, and we can question that. Zurg, however, takes that away. As he says, "It'll be all Zurg, all the time! 24-7! Zurgie heaven!", which is pretty bad.
Both more great observations! I especially like the XR one, because you're right, it is like his old self "died" to make way for the XR we've all come to know and love. And as for Warp and his so-called "sacrifice", I wonder sometimes whether he ever planned to keep his name "clean" and assume the "Agent Z" persona permanently, until Buzz found out it was him. Seems to me like maybe, jsut maybe, Warp might have not wanted people to think of him as a villain. Maybe. Or he just wanted the glory of an "honourable" death.Fox Storm wrote:Death is also relevant to Warp (well, sort of) and XR when he was first blown up. Warp had "sacrificed himself" to save everyone when really, he ended his old life permanently as a Space Ranger to become an agent of evil. We know he's been working for Zurg the whole time while he was at the Academy, but the 'death' was like the final step of his plan to fully work at Zurg's side. I think that death alone was probably more painful for the Space Ranger Corps, mostly Buzz, than his "sacrifice". Poor folks.
For XR, he was a new attempt to make a robot ranger to learn the ways of human behavior before he made his own personality, and to be a new partner for Buzz so that he wouldn't have to worry about a ranger being killed. Eventually, though when XR was blown up for the first time, that was he death of his old life as a lifeless robot, and he started a new life as a wise-cracking, human-like robot.
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And how did Zurg get a camera into Star Command to watch Buzz's eulogy for Warp? xDab103 wrote:If the LGMs were last seen in the science bay, how did they get in Zurg's clutches...?
I think it's a combination of the two. They push buttons for their wings, but sometimes they activate them without that. Maybe the suits are somehow connected to their thoughts with nerve-endings or something...ab103 wrote:Throughout the movie, they are able to do things with their suits without any discernible button pushing... Are they thought powered or something...? Maybe minute muscle pulls activate them...?
I swear, he's gotta have hidden cameras everywhere around Star Command just to pick up their secrets and spy on Buzzab103 wrote:Does anyone else see a problem with the fact that not only does Zurg know Buzz's eulogy for Warp, but he has it recorded?in the shower. *shot*
Could be, on both counts. Maybe the "psychic pain" was also very overwhelming. If the Uni-Mind was reflecting the state of Zurg's mind, which could very well be insanity, it possibly required more effort to combat.ab103 wrote:Though, I wonder if this meant that Zurg had more will than Buzz since Buzz had to go inside the Unimind to make it good again... Or, it could just be because more people were affected by it that Buzz needed to go deeper to change it back?
I agree, and sure it makes sense! Zurg has both brilliant plans and then those plans that are like "You're kidding, right?" He also doesn't seem to put a lot of effort in particular areas. His Hornets made a mess of the LGM Homeworld, but were so easily destroyed by Buzz, for example. His plans, which we will speak of in more detail in latter episodes, seem to be products of random bursts of brilliance and insanity. Or he's just messin' with us all. He doesn't want to take over the galaxy and just wants access to Mahambas VI to go on vacation.ab103 wrote:Zurg is one of those villains that I don't know what to think about. None of his plans seem to be all that straight-forward, mostly because of their varying levels of outer-layer logic. By that I mean that sometimes his plans make sense for why he would make them but others seem more like a fault of some type of misjudgment and/or insanity. And, regardless, they all seem to have some backwards thought that no one expects right away, even if it's not always as obvious as others. Does any of that make sense...?
Sure, the Galactic Alliance is his biggest enemy, shown by other villains and whatnot mentioning it during the show, as well, which makes me think it's a rather recent government. Zurg also seems to have more territory than just Planet Z. But all that's stuff we can only justify with latter episodes. I'm sure there are more planets with life and if Zurg wanted to, he could enslave them, but I figure there's a particular reason he's sticking with hounding the GA...ab103 wrote:As for only enslaving planets in the Galactic Alliance, Zurg seems to want to undermine the Galactic Alliance mainly considering that it is his biggest enemy in taking over the galaxy. Or maybe, by this point in time, planets under the Galactic Alliance are the only ones known to have sentient life on them? Or, at the very least, sentient life that he actually cares about.
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Yeah, choppy! The series can be choppier because the animation is inconsistent, but the pilot was just gorgeous. I wish they could have stuck with maybe one animation studio instead of going all over the place.DarklingDragon wrote:I agree that the animation in this is much more fluid than the T.V. series. The lip-sync is much more accurate. It doesn't seem choppy. I don't know how to exactly put it, but the acting in the animation itself is much better than what I remember on some of the episodes.
Oh, good idea! It makes sense if it taps into brain waves. Then it's not just a "play on emotions" but more of a "play on the mental state" of someone.DarklingDragon wrote:I think the Uni-mind must have been an ancient technology the LGMs created to unite their people in peace. It probably taps into the brain waves of whomever touches it. Since the Uni-mind had never left it's homeworld, it was never at risk of being exposed to the wrong mindset.
That is...until Zurg found out about it. Buzz and Zurg are almost polar opposites. They're (almost) pure condensed forms of good/bad, so it's easy for them to influence the Uni-Mind.
And it's interesting how Zurg managed to corrupt it with one touch, but Buzz needed to get to the core to "heal" it. Kind of like a play on their wills and how "equal" they are by simply being polar opposties.
It makes perfect sense to me, although I can't help but wonder if the GA has been around for at least half a century, since it seems like Buzz had always wanted to be a Space Ranger from a young age. Maybe it was glorified like those "We Want You" war-era posters were way back when. So he probably joined and then provided Nebula and Star Command with a lot of help and whatnot.DarklingDragon wrote:Buzz might be well known because of the fact he's one of the founding figures of Star Command. The fact that he wrote half of the rules tells me he might have joined during a fragile era of the Galactic Alliance. (don't know if I make sense O.o)
And therein is the only drawback, and hence why I chock up some of his particularly silly plans to insanity. I wish they could have been more consistent, but yeah, they wanted a more classic and stereotypical take on this aspect.DarklingDragon wrote:Zurg is somewhat half and half. Since this is/was a show aimed at kids, the writers couldn't just freely go beyond the regular schemes evil villains tend to use.
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Must be because by then, he's not liking being Zurg's lackey for everything. And in the series he only seems a wee bit nostalgic towards Buzz, but we'll talk more about that in the corresponding episodes.levy120 wrote:
You know, now that you mention it: Movie-Warp seems pretty nonchalant about everything, but Series Warp WHINES A L OT ABOUT JOBS!ab103 wrote:I would think that he occasionally would when some of the jobs he does for Zurg end up badly, though he probably would never go back to the side of good.
Just look at Ancient Evil “Can’t an evil man get a break for once!”
Or Nos-4-A2 “It’s a box of doom, it’s not for you”
Because neither side seems to really want to end things once and for all? They always seem to go around in circles, like it's all some sort of charade or game. *inb4 looking too deep into things* xDEEZ wrote:How come they gave up Planet Z in the end? *inb4, the show must go on!*
Hell, if they kept it they'd be able to prevent Zurg from pulling more shit and maybe eventually track him down and take him in. But then there would be no show...levy120 wrote:Well, on a counter question - what WOULD they be doing with it? oO"
Star Command isn't really a "conquering" sort of way - they have their Space Station and... that's it.
Besides, if they built anything on it, Zurg would have burned it down by his next visit anyway xD
Hmm, that raises an interesting point. Does it only react to "good" and "evil", or does it react to "emotions" and "morals". How can one label "good" and "evil". Someone can believe they are truly good, like Dr Doom, and yet do morally repugnant deeds. Would the Uni-Mind react to him as an "evil" or "good" force, then?Steffie wrote:In my opinion it works by touch, but it can be affected if the person that touched it that are either morally good or evil. But, it can be changed back to normal after someone with strong good morals had touched it. Just a crazy idea.
Phew! Huge post is huge. Hidden behind spoilers for the sake of spaaaaaace! It only took up ten pages in Word.
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Oh, good point! I didn't think that Buzz would still adding rules and regulations for some reason, but it sounds very plausible. Yeah, Buzz and Warp were clearly a twosome, and from old flashbacks in the show on Academy days and whatnot, though Buzz mentions saving people like Ty and Rocket, there's no mention of teams ever. Hell, he might have been partnered with Ty at some point if he kept saving him like that all the time until Ty requested that transfer. Of course, this trumps this plotbunny I have.levy120 wrote:I don’t think you are, because clearly the 4 man-teams were not regular. The part of the movie with the ceremony and Buzz stating that “he picked his partner” was supposed to be a surprise in leading the audience to believe that he’d pick Mira. (Her receiving the medal before him, drawing out the time until XR showed up and stuff)
And Warp and him clearly were NO 4-man group xD
I think he made it another of the regulations HE wrote, classically because at this point he learned it the hard way from his own mistake. Oh well, I can try to make it adapt! See, these discussions are great for fanfic fodder and creativity!
It is possible that since the Galactic Alliance is, or was, being newly formed that Star Command was being formed with it, and with that, Buzz wrote and changed some of the rules because he was such a large influence on Star Command. I think it's possible, however, that as long as a Ranger has some form of backup, no matter how many Rangers are with him or her, it really doesn't matter. I mean, as far as we know, from the Mission Manual, as Booster stated, "No Ranger is allowed to go into action without backup." Even Ty, who spent a large portion of time on Canis Lunis, had the Robot Sentries as his backup. What was the plotbunny you had in mind?levy120 wrote:OBJECTION! You never know Steel xD
Some of the other teams do get mentioned at times with getting boring jobs, but… if I remember correctly even Rocket Crocket once got the bigger piece of the meat if you get what I mean. Just because we don’t get to see what the other Space Rangers do doesn’t mean they’re useless – and the show IS Buzz’s show after all ^^
True, we never do know, but how come Planet Z came off as being so impenetrable in the pilot when later on in the rest of the series Buzz and his team pass through all willy-nilly? It just doesn't make sense! And why is it that Team Lightyear is always on solo missions you really shouldn't be going solo for? Like more forages into Planet Z and all those scuffles and confrontations with Zurg? I can think of a lot of missions they really shouldn't have been solo for, but seeing as this is only the pilot I can only comment on Buzz and XR going to save a planet under attack. An entire planet under attack and only two people to stop it. PFFFFFT. And Commander Nebula never made any move to stop him when Buzz said he was on it. That's too much of a stretch, you can't deny it!levy120 wrote:…He might as well have just gone off on his own, like he planned on nabbing the Alpha 1 xD
Yeah, I thought it was pretty dumb to send ONLY two people to save an ENTIRE PLANET. But maybe the LGM's planet is so small enough that two Rangers could protect it easily?....who knows...
It is! I'm starting to seriously consider whether the LGMs are techno-organic and whether the whole "touch" and "feel" thing is more of a bio-chemical reaction than anything. And them joining hands and creating a forcefield to protect the Uni-Mind... didn't work. It's hard to determine how and what exactly is going on here.Zimbo wrote:The unimind stuff is arguably more 'supernatural' than Mira's powers. Its an orb of...some...kind...that provides a mind link and can be used for evil?
I has a plotbunny for that! I just need to go find it...I think it's a combo of being biological, chemical, and possibly, supernatural as well.
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Aha, someone else who figured that out too! If you've got free time on your hands I can recommend you a very interesting fic you might want to read~ *shot*Fox Storm wrote:I think the Unimind was originally green/yellow, and peaceful to begin with, before it was turned purple and shrieking with pain. I mean the sound it makes after it was turned into evil by Zurg....there may be more to the bucket head than meets the eye...
Sure! What is it?
Ooh, that's a damn good observation! I didn't think of it like that because I kept thinking that Zurg had to have another reason for doing what he did. The age-old "subduing the galaxy for my own" thing falls flat with me because it seems like his real beef is with the Galactic Alliance and the Galactic Alliance alone. Star Command is just in the way, seeing as they're the ones protecting the Galactic Alliance and any planets within its jurisdiction.Fox Storm wrote:Which reminds me, the theme of death could be related to how Zurg turned everyone into his puppets. The death of free will, and really, the freedom to live is kind of relevant. Zurg, in his own way, wanted to destroy all that is free and make it his own, which is kind of like playing God, because hey, the Higher Beings, whatever you may call them, did give us free will, and we can question that. Zurg, however, takes that away. As he says, "It'll be all Zurg, all the time! 24-7! Zurgie heaven!", which is pretty bad.
That's true; but maybe his beef with the Galactic Alliance is just as strong as his beef with Star Command? I just think that if he were to take over the galaxy, he'd want to take over the minds of everyone and control them that way. I mean, the Galactic Alliance is, more or less, supposed to be a group of democracy, and by that democracy away, and the guardians of that delicate democracy...it's a form of dictatorship. Despite what XR says about controlling everyone like puppets, it wouldn't really be that funny in the real world.
Both more great observations! I especially like the XR one, because you're right, it is like his old self "died" to make way for the XR we've all come to know and love. And as for Warp and his so-called "sacrifice", I wonder sometimes whether he ever planned to keep his name "clean" and assume the "Agent Z" persona permanently, until Buzz found out it was him. Seems to me like maybe, jsut maybe, Warp might have not wanted people to think of him as a villain. Maybe. Or he just wanted the glory of an "honourable" death.Fox Storm wrote:Death is also relevant to Warp (well, sort of) and XR when he was first blown up. Warp had "sacrificed himself" to save everyone when really, he ended his old life permanently as a Space Ranger to become an agent of evil. We know he's been working for Zurg the whole time while he was at the Academy, but the 'death' was like the final step of his plan to fully work at Zurg's side. I think that death alone was probably more painful for the Space Ranger Corps, mostly Buzz, than his "sacrifice". Poor folks.
For XR, he was a new attempt to make a robot ranger to learn the ways of human behavior before he made his own personality, and to be a new partner for Buzz so that he wouldn't have to worry about a ranger being killed. Eventually, though when XR was blown up for the first time, that was he death of his old life as a lifeless robot, and he started a new life as a wise-cracking, human-like robot.
Heh. Thanks.
I love going over themes like this. It makes my college skills top shelf. xD
Hmm...maybe Warp did want to assume the "Agent Z" persona permanently, and wash away his old name of Warp Darkmatter, until Buzz had him pinned and he resorted to revealing himself as a way to catch Buzz off-guard.
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And how did Zurg get a camera into Star Command to watch Buzz's eulogy for Warp? xDab103 wrote:If the LGMs were last seen in the science bay, how did they get in Zurg's clutches...?
I think Zurg was able to get a camera into Star Command via Warp's sneakiness. I bet he was able to find a spot no one would suspect of looking, and hid it so well, not even Buzz could find it. As far as the LGMs go, maybe Warp knocked them out with sleeping gas and they woke up at the hands of Zurg?
Could be, on both counts. Maybe the "psychic pain" was also very overwhelming. If the Uni-Mind was reflecting the state of Zurg's mind, which could very well be insanity, it possibly required more effort to combat.ab103 wrote:Though, I wonder if this meant that Zurg had more will than Buzz since Buzz had to go inside the Unimind to make it good again... Or, it could just be because more people were affected by it that Buzz needed to go deeper to change it back?
It could also be that the pain was so deep, that it took something stronger to heal the pain, and that needed something to go to the source, and comfort it.
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It makes perfect sense to me, although I can't help but wonder if the GA has been around for at least half a century, since it seems like Buzz had always wanted to be a Space Ranger from a young age. Maybe it was glorified like those "We Want You" war-era posters were way back when. So he probably joined and then provided Nebula and Star Command with a lot of help and whatnot.DarklingDragon wrote:Buzz might be well known because of the fact he's one of the founding figures of Star Command. The fact that he wrote half of the rules tells me he might have joined during a fragile era of the Galactic Alliance. (don't know if I make sense O.o)
Maybe overtime, he became one of the leading figures of Star Command-doing the job well, and providing a source of light against Zurg's darkness.
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Hmm, that raises an interesting point. Does it only react to "good" and "evil", or does it react to "emotions" and "morals". How can one label "good" and "evil". Someone can believe they are truly good, like Dr Doom, and yet do morally repugnant deeds. Would the Uni-Mind react to him as an "evil" or "good" force, then?Steffie wrote:In my opinion it works by touch, but it can be affected if the person that touched it that are either morally good or evil. But, it can be changed back to normal after someone with strong good morals had touched it. Just a crazy idea.
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