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Post by Steel on Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:42 am

So, we all know that BLoSC takes place in one galaxy. How do we know that? Because it was specifically stated that the Heed ("War and Peace and War") were from another galaxy. Now, we don't know which galaxy it is, because Capital Planet isn't Earth. Have you guys noticed the planets near Capital Planet on occasion? They sure don't look like any planets I know!

As for quadrants, we definitely have a Gamma Quadrant, where Capital Planet, Star Command, and most planets of the Galactic Alliance are presumably located. However, the very word "quadrant" means "quarter", which means that the galaxy is logically split into four pieces. And since there is definitely a Gamma Quadrant it goes to reason that the other quadrants would follow that naming system and be called Alpha, Beta and Delta, right? Wrong! There is clearly a Zeta Quadrant ("The Adventure Begins") and an Outback Quadrant ("The Main Event"), although the latter is possibly slang for one of the other three. But how can there only be three quadrants if we're following the Greek alphabet system, Alpha-Beta-Gamma-Delta? If we include Zeta in that, there would be six quadrants: Alpha-Beta-Gamma-Delta-Epsilon-Zeta.

Sectors are fairly simpler. There are 50 sectors ("The Torque Armada") but are those only in the Gamma Quadrant, or do they encompass the entire galaxy? Or does each quadrant have 50 sectors each?

This is a small part of my thought process on the matter, an issue I've been debating with myself and others for a few a years now. And as I was looking up constellations for an entirely different project, I figured I might as well pose these speculations (or lack of thereof) on the forum and see what everyone else thinks.

Sorry about my snarky attitude at the start of my post. It just annoys me to no end that we don't seem to have a consistent system like Star Trek does.


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Post by Fox Storm on Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:19 pm

Hmm...I'd like to think that the sectors are in the whole galaxy, as least the galaxy Buzz and crew are in, just simply because it makes it easier to think about what goes where. xD

But I also like to think it like this: say the galaxy is a large country, or maybe a whole continent. The galaxy, or continent/country, is divided up into smaller parts to identify who's who, right?

The quadrants are then the smaller landmasses of the continent. For example, North America (I'm using this example because I can lol) is divided up into Canada (eh?), the USA, and Mexico. That's what the quadrants are; smaller lands to divide the galaxy a bit more.

The sectors are then divided up into even smaller divisions of locations. The sectors are states, provinces, boroughs, counties, whatever floats your boat, and the planets are within each of these sectors, or divisions.

But that's only what I think, and I'm using this just to clear the confusion. xD

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Post by Olivus Prime on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:21 am

There are two maps featured in BLoSC media that could be of help here (though they are still only guides as to how the galaxy is laid out) - the one in the queueline of the Buzz lightyear Disneyland rides, which doesn't feature canonical planet names:
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And the one featured in the console video game, which shows us the immediate area around Star Command, though some of the planets shown here are meant to be much further away (e.g. Ice Planet). I'll post an annotated image when I have time, but for now,
this video at 03:42 shows the general layout (which is, as expected, reasonably messed up).

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Post by Ranger-Nova on Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:30 pm

Ooh, an interestig topic~.

First of all, I agree that Capital Planet isn't Earth - not only are the planets in its solar system different, but the continents are different as well. However, since there are so many humans in the BLoSC galaxy, it's certainly possible it's our galaxy.

The quadrant thing puzzles me too. Maybe there are only four quadrants, but they aren't named in alphabetical order, which is why we have a gamma and a zeta? Then again, that doesn't make much sense, so I don't know. A minor correction though - the Outback Quadrant is mentioned in "The Main Event", not "Lone Wolf". In Lone Wolf, Buzz talks about "the galactic frontier".

Sectors are interesting, because not only have they been assigned numbers as names (for instance, Rhizome is said to be located in Sector 6 in "Stress Test"), at least some of them also have more unique names - in "The Beasts of Karn", Ozma mentions the Kevhoppi Sector. This could also be slang, though.

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Post by Steel on Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:20 pm

Well, the way I understand sectors from other sci-fi shows like Star Trek, they're within quadrants. And a quadrant can be pretty huge. So maybe there are 50 sectors to each quadrant, which, if we're going by there being four quadrants, would make 200 sectors -- that is, if we're going with the theory that each sector is the same size. It's more likely that sectors are defined by the borders of each planet. So, like you say, Ranger, Rhizome space might very well be part of Sector 6, either Sector 6 being Rhizomian space, or simply being a part of it alongside other solar systems.

And so, if we're going with the country/continent division, a planet is a galaxy, a continent is a quadrant, and a country is a sector. As for provinces and whatnot, they would be the planets and colonies withing the controlled space each species dominates. Actually, Fox, your analogy was right on the money, if off by a skipped comparison! ;)

Oh, I've seen that photo before, Olivus. I can't put stock in it for the life of me. A Mickey Mouse head-shaped planet? A square planet? If it were accurate, you'd think they'd add Capital Planet and some of the more recognisable planets! Although I have to nod that they gave Planet Z three moons and it more or less has the same design, but the wrong colour.

I remember that map from my game, too -- but it's still inaccurate given how they portray all those planets in the same solar system! Oh, well. At least it gives us some information, as sketchy as that may be, on which to go by for adding more info on the wikia. Thanks, Olivus!

Actually, Ranger, my theory for the humans, as implausible as it may sound, is that Earth as they knew it was destroyed and they had to colonise other planets beyond their solar system. Or, we could go with the Star Trek theory that all sentient life had he same roots and say that's why they look like humans. It would make sense with how many identically human-looking species the Trek crews have come across. Then there's always the Star Wars theory, which to my knowledge is never really explained -- Earth is never mentioned, but they are humans all over the place. It's really quite a mind-buster.

Oh, thanks, Ranger! I'll edit my first post with that info~

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Post by Rook on Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:59 pm

I'm of the same mind as Steel as for where humans came from. I posted somewhere else that in my head!canon BLoSC is divergent from Firefly starting when humanity evacuated Earth-That-Was, as sort of a renegade faction of the Alliance.

Here's another completely whacked out idea I just had, and feel free to bust me about it, but...what if the galaxy BLoSC takes place in is our own and Planet Z was Earth conquered?
Hear me out. Conventionally, if our galaxy is divided into quadrants (four by definition), we'd label them Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta; and we'd put ourselves in the Alpha quadrant, because we humans are egotistical that way. The only quadrant we've heard about in canon is Gamma, and then there's Zeta. Well, what if during Earth and Human history, our technology became advanced enough that we could go forth and explore or conquer the Alpha quadrant. Suppose we did go out and make it to the other quadrants, claiming another planet as a colony to support our growing population (Capital Planet) and setting up a trading post (Tradeworld). Earth would still be the center of humanity, but then one of our own had developed the technology to change and advance his own physiology to attain near immortality, transforming into something as mad and inhuman as possible. When the time was right, he set a plan into motion to seize Humanity's empire in the Alpha quadrant for his own using his own twisted machinations.
In the ensuing violence, what was left of humanity abandoned the Earth and Alpha quadrant for the safety of their colony in the Gamma quadrant. Earth was renamed Planet Z, and the Alpha quadrant became the Zeta quadrant, symbolizing the end for Humanity...or so he thought.

But, again, just an idea. I thought it would explain why no one talks about Earth, why there's a conflict with Zurg and why he's so despised, the origin of Zurg and his forces, and where the humans in the galaxy came from. Yeah, it's a bit silly, but considering we have no canon explanation, it's something.

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Post by Steel on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:42 am

Love you for the Firefly reference. <3

As for that theory, it seems pretty farfetched, but not implausible. It's very likely a quadrant or two were renamed depending on how many centuries passed in the BLoSC galaxy's history. Zurg might very well have been a member of an invading species much like the Borg and conquered Earth for his own, renaming it Planet Z and adding artificial moons and whatnot for defence. I do like the idea of civilisation as we know it having to reconvene in the Gamma Quadrant. But to be completely honest, given the vast majority of non-human species, I'm not sold on the idea that humanity was at the centre of galactic civilisation. It's like Star Trek's Starfleet being on Earth and being mostly comprised of humans. Which... now that I think about it is more plausible than I originally thought, given Tad Stones admitted to them modelling the Galactic Alliance off of Trek's Federation. Who knows? Maybe Star Command was first created by humans. That might explain why it's mostly made up of humans rather than non-humans. And hell, seeing as the Milky Way is so vast, the BLoSC galaxy might as well be in the Milky Way galaxy, just several billion lightyears away from the Sol System.

The bottom line is we can't ever really know what the creators had in mind. There's a horrid lack of consistency, probably because BLoSC was a children's show. All we can do is try to point out what's been stated from episode to episode, connect the common themes and points, and try to use that as a basis for plausible theories.

So has anyone else noticed any more information as to the galaxy's layout so I can add it to the first post~?

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Post by Ranger-Nova on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:38 am

After doing some BLoSC rewatches, I've noticed there are four quadrants mentioned in the show: Gamma, Zeta, Delta (mentioned in Lost in Time), and Beta (mentioned in TAB). And of course the Outback Quadrant, which might be a nickname for the Beta or Delta Quadrant. So, assuming there aren't any other quadrants, then the galaxy is indeed split into four sections. The question is, why is there a Zeta instead of an Alpha? Did Zurg rename it to make it sound more evil?

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Post by Steel on Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:34 pm

*revives thread*

While rewatching "Bunzel Fever", I noticed they mentioned a quadrant called the "Omega Quadrant". Which means that we have at least 6-7 quadrants in the BLoSC universe. In that case, quadrants can only refer to segments and not actual fourths of the galaxy. I'd hazard a guess that the galaxy is split off into multiple parts, and these parts are what are called quadrants.

Note that the headquarters of the Galactic Alliance is in the Gamma Quadrant. It stands to reason that most planets belonging to the GA would be situated in the Gamma Quadrant.

*would really like more conversations like this to take place on the forum*

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Post by Feral Dog on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:52 am

Well, here in the Pacific Northwest, the individual states (Washington, Oregon, Idaho, parts of Wyoming and Montana) were originally the Oregon Territory. Eventually they split into individual states, and Oregon is the only part to retain the name. And of course all this completely ignores the way the tribes divided the area.

Maybe something similar happened in the BLoSC universe- there were initially four quadrants, but then the Alliance got so large (or different societies clashed enough) they ended up adding a few more (either by making a cutoff point for adding to a given quadrant or by splitting existing ones) but still called them "quadrants" for whatever reason.

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Post by Rook on Wed Sep 04, 2013 3:36 pm

That could be a possibility. In fact, the word quadrant might have gained a more simplified meaning, referring to large general sections of galaxies. Sectors may refer to smaller bodies depending on who or what exists there. Language is a fluid construct, and depending on how far in the future we theorize the series taking place, a lot of terminology could have changed.

As far as time goes, I think we like to imagine this takes place maybe only about a thousand years in the future at most, but some reading into more deep time literature has made me wonder whether it could be even longer. Say the human base of power moved to what is now Capital Planet and continued to flourish for who knows how long. They left Earth due to drastic environmental changes, but after that time while they were leaving and settling a new planet, nature continued on and eventually a new sentient race appeared, and through some artifacts left behind by humans began to survive and build up much like us, despite not looking quite like us.

In short, my theory is that Earth is Roswell millions of years in the future. Did humanity change in all that time? Sure! Humans stuck it out that long to evolve a change in their bone structure so that long term activity in an anti-gravity setting did not cause their bones to rapidly decay.

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Post by Feral Dog on Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:35 pm

It need not be millions of years (not that it's impossible, seeing how BLoSC is a science-fiction series). After all, our planet right now has everything from uncontacted tribes to astronauts and everything in between, and according to archaeologists we modern humans have been around about 200,000 years, give or take a few. And except for the most remote regions of the world, everyone's at least seen buses, trains, and other vehicles.

In-universe levels of development are all over the place:
- Planet Roswell is at 1950's level of technological/social development, and in their second episode, they have some kind of protective no-contact status (for all the good that did them, *cough* Zurg *cough*). Presumably there are more places like Roswell.
- There were intergalactic freight ships 1000 years ago ("Speed Trap") that were at least as advanced as modern Alliance vessels.
- There are at least two places where there was advanced technology that was later lost- "Ancient Evil" and "Enemy Without a Face."
-Tangean Royals live in cities in the sky; Grounders appear to live in villages on the ground. Both are capable of traveling to space.
- "Lone Wolf": Literal space cowboys.

Space travel is shown as a normal and everyday thing, like buses and cars are here, to the point kids take space shuttles to school and there are interstellar traffic jams. I tend to assume that if the characters rely on space travel that much, they've already come up with functional artificial gravity at some point.

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Post by DarklingDragon on Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:51 am

After reading what everyone has said about the Quadrants in the BLoSC universe, I really wish there was some kind of "Guide to" BLoSC like they have for the StarWars and Startrek universe. It's a little muddled how the quadrants exactly work, but it might be as you said (something like continents>countries>states).

I also would like to know exactly where on the galaxy is the Gamma quadrant. Is it around one of the arms or near the center? Is the galaxy spiral, elliptical, or a big globular mass? Is their galaxy massive or a little dwarf? These kind of things might help explain the dynamics of their system.
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